Painting Trim Using Lacquer Toner. FISHEYE RESOLVED!

it's the lacquer in the air so we got a really cool project today and I'm with journeyman John once again and we've got some trim right here and this is a stained and lacquer trim and it's kind of a I don't know like um a lighter colored um I don't know how you would describe it um like a golden oish golden oish um yeah something like that and so the customer didn't want to paint this tram it's kind of a whole lot of work to paint it cuz it wasn't paint gray but they wanted it to be um what they describ as a dark eony color or um not ebony but espro espresso color and they wanted it but then they didn't want it to be opaque didn't want it to have that painted look to it so what did we do we came up with what we call toner lacquer toners and if you've never heard of that well it's kind of simple it's just stain in lacquer and what we did is uh I took down a piece of this sampl this trim took it down to our local cabinet shop that mix up all our pigmented lacquers and asked them to Mi Mix us up a toner that would give me kind of an espresso color and so they took a sample of this and they started adding toner in it and sprained it on there until they achieved the look that I wanted and then we um said yeah so here we are doing this and how's the process go John it's pretty simple you you make sure your your trim is clean use uh you can use the glosser or you can use denatured alcohol something like that probably not a good idea especially on an older home to sand it because if there are any contaminants you're just going to move that around heat it up and push it into the lacquer more and kind of spread your problem around beyond that it's pretty simple you just it's kind of touch and go you feel it out and you know once you put it on it's not like you can take it off so you want to start probably on lighter coats and then build up to that look you want and that opacity that you want yeah every lacer toner um job you work on is going to have its own characteristics and look a little bit different and so started on one side of the the um this project here and just went into one window and just started working with one window and trying to achieve the look that I wanted and you just want to start off putting a little bit and just start building up from there if you get it too heavy you can never go back really so you can always go darker but you can't go lighter that's one of the characteristics with lacquer toners is we can't make this look any lighter but we can make it look darker and we can do a lot of different things with it and we did run to a problem when I started working started spraying some of the door jams and doors we ran into a major fishee problem and so we kind of had to just work with that and the fishon with um the lacer TOA looks really good if you spray it on and you just did if you leave it but then with the fish IR problems we had to um kind of improvise and do something different and John's I I developed the technique of just taking a brush and we're just using a chip brush and brushing over the whole L Jam that has the fishee and kind of giv it what would you call like an antique look yeah it almost looks like glaze except now we don't have to go through the process again of putting a lacquer over the top of that glaz yeah so you kind of just have to just deal with the situation as it goes and then I did the one door jam called the customer in said is this going to be acceptable to you if not we're going to have to do something else the customer really liked it and so we just continued going on with where we were we're going to be showing you in this video some video footage of us using toners and how we're going about using it and spraying it and leaving it and just spraying it and then back rushing it but the fishy problem we were John you were spraying with one of the doors and you kind of noticed something and asked had a question and yeah you know start to spray one of these doors in the fish eye you could see it in kind of a swooping pattern and typically when you see that contaminant you'll see it in a couple of places specifically um but that the the the swoosh was a little un ual swish swoosh swirl white Mark White Mark and so we we came to find out that um in the recent past it had just been had lemon oil applied all over the yeah and I think I think John even asked me I think it looks like somebody's um wiped these things down with lemon oil I went and contacted the customer who's prepping this place to get it ready to be painted and um all the trim being painted and stuff and I asked him what cleaners they were using to clean and get ready and they said lemon oil and lemon oil is one of the worst things you can ever put on your wood tram if you're ever thinking about Rec CLE coating it or ever thinking about painting it you never want to put any type of lemon oil on it and I just recommend to the customer just you know for the rest of the project just to clean it with warm soap and water or and use Dawn so I think that's your best B to getting something ready to um lock or you don't want to use any type of chemicals cuz you could possibly run into fisheye problems so here we go we're going to continue on we've been working on this project now since yesterday and I'm going to walk you through show you some of the stuff we've already done what it looks like and do keep in mind you know we ran into a lot of issues with fisheye we worked with a customer trying to um achieve different looks um with the the stain and the um lacquer toner and they like the look and this is what we're continuing to do so here we go check it out