Will BRINE destroy A Truck??

holy crap you got Haka pales on there huh getting a oh nice nice all right Tim can you come on this side cuz I can't yeah all right so walk us through what we did with the suspension add of the leaf so me too now let got an extra one on there okay and then up here just did the HD HD Springs here so before when I put the plow on this this uh bump bumper was just pretty much touching the the axle so so you were hitting the bump stop before with the plow on and look how much clearance you got you got to have like 6 in of clearance and now probably drops like uh I put the plow on I think it's maybe an inch compress is an inch so but now we're not done yet cuz we're going to be putting new spring or new shocks on right new shocks yeah cuz these shocks right here I think they're uh overextended overextended already noticing hidden bumps it's a a little more violent than it used to be right okay um what are you thinking looking at the height we will probably need to do extension plates this is something that we do on a pretty regular basis for guys that do have lifted features on their trucks okay and looks like you already have is this a western mount on it yeah yeah we're running an Arctic on this one okay so when when you're looking at trying to determine if you've got got to put uh extension on to it where are you measuring so we actually take it our measurement there's two different ways to do it I know on this one what we'll do is we'll actually go measure the truck that we have inside yep and we'll see where we're at but bottom of the bumper Heights decent that'll tell us the difference between the two between the two and we know we're bottomed out on this one in here so that'll tell us if we're higher we do have to drop it with an extension plate oh we already bottomed out on already I believe on the last adjustment hole on the on your guys' truck you don't want it any lower than it's at and so we'll take that measurement cross reference that one and we'll find out with some math okay math Works let's go math don't lie okay so let's find out the Moment of Truth here plow is down weights off the front end it's not lifted right we have no down pressure where we at M 22 and 1/2 22 and 1/2 so we're about an inch different in height which means the yeah Will have to do a three run hold drop okay to set that where we need to at 15 and2 okay so that's something good to know so guys not getting out there right without an issue what what did we figure out we're an inch and a half um indiff so we will need a drop plate for that one this one sits just a little bit lower than that one so a little higher out there so when they when they put that other spring we'll probably want you to put the spring and bring it back and then bring it back so get exact height okay okay cuz what we do is like we'll get at the height that we we got and if it's a little bit one way or another this little ledge in here gives you a little slack changes three four different adjustments and there's actually a little angled Puck down there okay and so the farther out you have it it sets it a little farther up tuck it in a little more sets it down a little bit okay all right well while we're getting all of the detail work worked out it first up I want to say big thanks to chry Steel for coming in on a Saturday boys thank you thank you thank you um these guys honestly been a phenomenal I've worked with them for many many moons too many moons I mean decades I've come to these guys for my stuff um but next up I'm going to see if I can get Jordan from vssi on the horn and we're going to go over some very critical uh salt and brine numbers because I popped up a video and you guys had a ton of questions and I want to make sure you guys get all of the all of the answers so let's see if we can't connect with him next okay so what's the weight 9 25 on this particular one on this plow okay so this is lighter than all of our is stainless steel typically lighter as well no no the bracing does add a little bit more okay so it always even and people sometimes get poly thinking that it's going to be lighter no it's that's really just a slip factor is what you're going after the bracing to make it so it's strong enough does make it add the weight so it's a it's not about a weight thing if you go with poly it doesn't corrode um you know if you I mean do they get brittle in this extreme call I've never seen one get brittle I've had plenty of poly blades they hold up really well so yeah and poly blades are great stainless steel blades are great uh it just depends on you know really what you're looking the wet heavy snow is where they Shine the oh the the poly blades in the stainless heel it just Falls right off slip and slide baby all right Jordan where you at let's go find him next so we're looking at Alex's extreme version of building out a snowplow truck so louville this is this is his old truck let's take a look at what he did with and it's still our truck but yeah it's still a good work truck got all these super stack of uh Springs back here you got a seven stack right yeah 4 in Block back well six and a helper six and a helper okay and then I got the super heavy duties up here which I mean if you look at Tim's you look at my thickness and then the space between there and they're a 4 in leveling spring too on it so yeah super beefy super beefy but it rides like a lumber Wagon on the road how about when you pick up the plow on the front though doesn't even move doesn't the truck doesn't move no usually it'd be like as you're picking the plow up the truck would go down and then the plow would finally come up this one like it's up 2 feet off the ground it's like gosh yeah you don't even know you P the the truck does with squat it just laughs at it y that's all you got and that's a 250 man yeah it's 250 with what what a 750 suspensions like 550 spring setup on there yeah yeah and how does it how does it handle with the the that's a yard and a half Hopper right Cody that's a yard and a half a yard yeah a yard and a half and then I'd put the brine sprayer back there which is heavier you know being 300 gallons but in that new truck when the water starts slashing you can feel the back of the truck kind of tailing th this stack of Springs just holds you straight you know you don't get any tailing I guess okay so let's be very clear Alex runs has ran the vssi in both trucks in both trucks both trucks so in this one no you don't feel it I don't get any type of like sway on the back where like once the water starts sloshing a little bit and I need to put baffles in there but once the water starts sloshing then you can kind of feel the back of your truck going like this a little bit you know kind of tailing on you and on this truck nothing and that's Alex's wedding dance move too oh yeah so anytime you see him right way this is all he'll be doing all right so um and you're getting a new suspension system in your truck so B we're just going to drive it for now well we're going to we're going to go with it as is as is for till we get a snowfall okay and Cody you said you put bigger systems in smaller Trucks Than what we've got right I mean we put those 8000s before in the same truck and you know they just run them they run them some people will put a Timber in or something in yep anybody have an opinion on a timbran versus what we're doing I just think a timan is just a 2in higher bump stop you know so let's let's show them what a timan is I mean you're just hitting on the bump stop 2 in higher on the ground so you're still riding on your a it just only stops you from as that's the only difference from your regular they do have a little bit of a squish yeah yep so it doesn't what they say is it's not supposed to affect your ride empty right but it's supposed to help load when you're loaded when you're loaded yep yep yep so you guys have an opinion on a timberin let me know cuz timberin are a lot cheaper than what we're doing a lot not inside the spring right what's that say inside the spring did what did I say oh did I I misspoke yeah I thought it went right on C oh yeah yeah yeah I thinking I'm sometimes my mouth says words that my brain are like no take that back but it's already been spit out so even as I was saying I'm like wait a minute is that right and then all of a sudden I'm talking about something else that's what happens when you have ADHD is that a squirrel over there oh yeah all right guys as promised I have Jordan from vssi now this is the guy that invented vssi and uh uses um Brian now exclusively in your business right Jordan that's correct okay so the first question I have is from Vinnie Ben and it says do you think it's as effective as traditional rock salt what do you say Jordan yeah I mean that's a big question question there's a lot of different ways to approach it you know I think um the first place I'd start is that using liquid and using salt are are really doing the same thing so when we're using liquid we are turning rock salt in into salt brine and we're applying it to the pavement that way now keep in mind when we're spreading rock salt on snow and ice we're just creating salt brine on the ground so when we're spraying salt BR we're skipping that phase change which allows it to work more quickly and allows us to use less salt um what I like to say with liquids is is because it's doing the same thing as rock salt it is absolutely equally effective now there are times where rock salt is going to perform better than others um in our climate here in Minnesota I know not all your followers are from Minnesota so I'll keep it broad here but in Minnesota we typically get pretty dry snow the drier the snow the more effective and the more efficient the brine is but brine always works cuz again we're doing the exact same thing as we're doing when we're salting we're just putting it down in brine form instead of allowing the brine to be made naturally on the ground by mixing with the snow and ice um the other thing I like about brine compared to rock salt is it it's more proactive so we're getting out there further ahead of the storm we can pre-treat further ahead of the storm to prevent that bond with the pavement um by being proactive we're keeping the surface condition safer we have more flexibility on when we can apply that pre-treatment if you go out and pre-s salt four days ahead of time all that salt gets crushed up by the car tires and it gets Blown Away In The Wind whereas with Brian we apply it to the pavement it's soaks into the pores and cracks and it can stay there for a lot longer period of time and be effective longer okay so it's basically I just want to clarify rock salt and brine are the exact same thing you actually make brine with rock salt and all you're doing is creating the chemical reaction when you lay rock salt down then you need it to actually have a chemical reaction so that each granular of salt can spread out and you're hoping that you get the exact right pattern so that every granular of salt as it spreads out connects with another granular over here connects with another granular over here and that's why you have to end up using almost 70% more rock salt to get the exact same effect as using brine there's no other difference between the two because you're using rock salt to make brine correct and I think I think it's important to distinguish that the reason we're saving salt by using brine is is not because it's different it again it it it is the same thing you nailed it it's because we need those granules of salt to be like an inch apart because otherwise prely otherwise that those little brine puddles that are formed by that endothermic reaction with the snow and ice if they have to spread 10 Ines a piece now it it takes way too long to get down to a safe surface scientifically it only takes 160 to 200 pounds of salt per acre to get bare pavement the problem is at 200 lb per acre each granual salts 10 in apart those little brine puddles are going to take 24 to 4 48 hours to spread out and connect together um commercial clients aren't willing to wait 24 to 48 hours for Bare pavement thus we over apply rock salt the average contractors is putting down 700 to 1,000 pounds of rock salt per acre um which is you know two to three times the scientifically necessary amount but that's not because it's needed it's because it's needed for Speed not for Effectiveness uh and that's why after contractors Salt the parking lot you always see that extra salt Left Behind the parking lots are stained white we have the extra extra granules laying around it's cuz we applied excess in order to get the speed of results um and that's where Brian really shines as you you skip that phase change you get the results much more quickly right and then the extra rock crystals that don't get activated those actually get tracked into your boots and then they get tracked into the building so the next question and we got five of these to go through so let's start let's do a speed round this that was one let's go to question the second question by Alec lck and he says try to avoid driving in this stuff when it is still wet way more corrosive than Salt because it is a concentrate and also active versus salt not active till moisture touches it what's your two cents on that one so this is a controversial topic this is probably one of the most common things I see and I'll try to do this fast but but again salt Bryan and salt are the same thing he is right that when salt is dry it's not corrosive because it's not activated but as soon as snow and ice contacts that salt it's just making brine on the ground so it's the exact same thing um what what you really see with Brian versus rock salt is that if you drive on wet Bryan and you're going 60 M hour down the highway Brian gets into more nooks and crannies than Salt does so it's not more corrosive but it gets into places that that dry salt won't necessarily get which can cause corrosion in different places he's not wrong about that now I think another question you're going to ask me is probably going to be about additives when we start talking about working in lower temperatures but if you use additives with your brine you can reduce the corrosion level of that brine by 80% so that was my next one it was what is the lowest functional temperature for this to work where I am at it's -30° C isn't uncommon in the winter and this is by Chris P pkn Chris pumpkin so yeah so we're a big advocate for using additives with salt brine there are plenty of contractors that are using Straight Sal Brine and it is effective I would say that in dry low moisture conditions you can use straight brine down to probably 10 to 15 Dees Fahrenheit and get the results um if we start putting additives in our brine like you know add 5 to 10% additive in our brine now not not only do we reduce that corrosion score of that liquid by 80% we can also work down to temperatures of-3 Fahrenheit which I think- 30 Fahrenheit ne30 Celsius are are about the same thing it's not exact but it's pretty close um we have had puddles in our parking lots that have not refrozen at as cold as -30 with that additive in our brine so you can work to extremely low temperatures and keep in mind straight white rock salt really really stops working around 10 or 15 degrees it just doesn't even function after that point so basically at any temperature that your formula will work as a solid it will also work as a brine solution CU all you're doing is creating the chemical reaction so whatever you're using down to -30° C now just add some water on to it turn it into a brine use less of it to create the Brine and you'll have the same functionality correct or correct that is correct absolutely correct okay last question because we did cover two of them stand care to show your formula and how you mix your Brine and there isn't really a formula but there is a certain solinity that you've got to hit because it's very weird how it goes from being effective to doing the reverse by adding too much when you make it too thick well you take it away Jordan you're the expert on this yeah so I mean really when we're making brine we're just making salt water but you're right Stan it's extremely important that we mix that salt water to What's called the TIC point so the TIC point is the lowest possible freeze point um which is also the highest possible energy that you can store in salt brine and that's 23.3% which is 2.28 lounds of salt per gallon of water now you might think if 23.3% is good then 25% is probably better but it's actually the opposite so if you look at a curve I don't have a graph on me obviously but if you look at a curve curve of the freeze point so water freezes at 32° as you add salt it gradually goes down till you hit -6° Fahrenheit which is the freeze point of 23.3% brine so that's a gradual curve down once you get over 23.3% that freeze point spikes up and if you get back up to 26 1 12% salt brine it now freezes at 32° just like water and the reason for that is because we're overpacking oversaturating the energy molecules and they don't have they don't have room to bounce around and create that energy in that formula and that's why if you oversaturate your brine it will actually freeze at the same temperature as water so staying um I I typically recommend I mean obviously if we can get right to 23.3% that's ideal um our vsi equipment does that for you it it literally tells you exactly what you're mixed to um but we we typically like to stay stay between about 22 and 24% and that'll put you in a safe range where you're going to have good solid brine that's going to work at all temperatures That's The Sweet Spot do you have a YouTube channel Jordan uh yeah B so boss snowplow has a YouTube channel pretty easy to find um there's tons of videos on liquids in there and then obviously Stan your channel has a bunch of good stuff on liquids 2o we did a bunch of videos the last couple years here last year we did five together where we show the process we show exactly how we do it we did we went through everything from Soup To Nuts on that thing so that you guys have that information and we put it out last year so go find it there big thanks to Jordan he was in another meeting he rushed out to get here to do this for you you guys and I wanted you guys to have the the straight scoop on all of these cuz these were great questions by people sending them in so thanks to the people and thanks to you Jordan you bet you stand anytime all right catch you later buddy and that's going to call it for this video you guys I hope you enjoyed watching us build out this snowplow truck and I knew some of you'd be wondering why was I possibly using a a rock salt spreader when I've already got a brine set up well there's a time for each the thing that I really love the best is the fact that all of this equipment now has that tracking capability because that is what's going to protect us from slipping Falls so I'd like to hear from you guys put your two cents in the comments below and I'll catch you guys on another one happy snow plown this year you guys and I hope you get some snow God bless and go get them