Understanding Cloth Abrasives

some samples and um just give us a little bit of your background too Curtis yeah well I've been in the abrasive business for 30 years um started out encoded which this is considered coded uh then I went for a couple years into the shape of wheel business which it all ties in shape of oils are like a a fiber type wheel that will mold and actually start shaping to a product like it's big in where they're manufacturing trim and stuff like that they're feeding this in its shapes and Sands that and then 20 years ago I uh went to work with you native so I've been here 20 years now and that got me back into the decoded aspect of the business we have cloth paper and film and you know um so we got film Tech I'm from Anita we've got echostorm and I'm not sure what the cloth is called but can you just um give our viewers just a little bit of advice and um kind of some technical background about these three products and what you should be using and why sure it is I'd like to talk about costs I think a lot of people tend to use it when they probably shouldn't so just a quick 101 on it is cloth is a is a really good product for longevity nothing's going to outlast it because of the durability of the car off the problem with cloth though is that you can't see it looking at it but it's just like a pair of jeans it's woven so every time a thread goes over another thread you're creating a little bump and you know how sanding is anything you do it'll it'll feed right through and show up on the part so although you're getting good longevity out of this the Finish typically isn't real good so really for what your customer base is doing I wouldn't really recommend cloth for too many applications but as far as