Technical Aspects and Strategic Racing

kind of Jason's and my dad's were kind of here and mine were kind of there and it's gotten to the point now where you just you just find a spot. Um Like I said, we don't complain about not having room for trophies. If a if a new one comes in the shop, we find a spot for it. >> Just put up a new shelf. >> Yeah, if we have to if we have to. >> What's the bridge from being Bowman Gray, Winston-Salem guy to now I'm driving a cup car? >> [laughter] >> It all kind of started because of just the popularity of Bowman Gray. Um And when the Clash came to Bowman Gray, I think it was a no-brainer that me and Tim Brown were going to figure out a way to to run that race just because um we grew up there and had so much success there, but Wheely Moody, I I got in touch with him or we got in touch with each other and put a deal together and next thing you know, I'm running a cup race. So, um I did get to run Martinsville, too, so that was cool cuz the Clash was a cup race, but didn't really count as a points race. So, uh getting to do Martinsville counted as a points race. So, >> You're in the book. >> I'm in the book. I'm in the book. Not very high up in the book, but um you know, with with >> You're in the video game. >> I'm in the video game. >> You're in the video game. I made the video game. >> You made it then. >> Yeah, that's what somebody said. >> That's what I would have thought when I was a kid. >> That's what somebody said you made a video game, you made it. But, I got to do it. And like I said, I I don't want that to sound like I'm watering it down by saying, "Well, I got to do it." because you know, we got to win. Um but, to go to a Cup race even I don't care what car you're in. You go to a Cup race, um it's a challenge just cuz those guys are so good and they're so familiar with what they do weekend and week out. And I mean, you see guys that you know are phenomenal drivers and they're in good cars and they run 10th to 15th on any given weekend. So, uh it's just so hard. So, we were running we were running decent and I think we ended up 30-something, but like I said, I got to do it. So. >> What did What do those things drive like? Did they Was there anything when you finally the first time you drove one were you like, "Whoa." for some reason? >> Not It wasn't as bad as I thought. And I've been told like when I talked to some of my Cup got like when I talked to Kyle…